This post last updated: Jan 2020
PART II OF THIS REVIEW FOUND HERE
Disclaimer: Neither Pleasant Hill Grain nor Famag compensated me in any way for this review. This is a 100% unbiased review of the Famag Spiral Dough Mixer.
What is a spiral mixer?
Most everyone that has ever baked a loaf of bread is familiar with the standard KitchenAid mixer “KA”. So that it is clear, a KA mixer is also called a planetary mixer. “Planetary” because the hook rotates, but the rotating hook also rotates inside the bowl. This is much like how the moon rotates around the earth but the moon and earth together rotate around the sun.
A spiral mixer also has a rotating hook, except it stays in a fixed position along the side of the bowl (not in the middle). The bowl rotates while the hook is spinning. Most efficient spiral mixers also have something known as a “breaker bar”. This is literally a bar that sits inside the middle of the mixer bowl in a stationary position.
A breaker bar is important because it cuts and strecthes the dough as it passes off the spinning hook and back into the spinning bowl. Without a breaker bar, dough is mixed less efficiently and it also has a greater tendency to spin around the hook instead of passing through it.
Why get a spiral mixer?
I have made identical recipes with a KA and then in a spiral mixer. The development of gluten is stunningly more efficient and effective in a spiral mixer. Better gluten development means stronger dough. Stronger dough means more rise, better gas retention, better handling and better crumb structure. You would be very hard pressed to find a bakery doing a lot of breads that doesn’t have a spiral mixer with a breaker bar as one of their most important pieces of equipment.
Where can I get a spiral mixer?
Up until very recently (late 2018)(early 2020), there were simply no spiral mixers available for home use in the United States. Believe me, I searched far and wide! I finally settled on buying one from overseas and doing a complicated electrical conversion to make it work on USA electricity. Luckily, I never had to make that purchase, as you will read below.
Some will point out that there are USA-available spiral mixers. Ah, but they all have one very important thing missing from them: a breaker bar. The importance of a breaker bar cannot be overstated. The best example of a spiral mixer without a breaker bar is the Häussler line of mixers. Don’t get me wrong, these are extremely high-end and great quality mixers. But without that breaker bar…it’s a deal breaker for me personally (pun intended :)).
One day, I was browsing one of my favorite online baking supply stores (Pleasant Hill Grain) and was shocked to see they were now importing high quality spiral mixers WITH A BREAKER BAR from Italy! It had a USA-plug, USA-warranty and a reasonable USA-price ($1,400)($1,500), not to mention USA-customer service from Pleasant Hill Grain. Hooray!!
My wife thought I may be going a little crazy, but it made my whole week. I did some research on the different models and all were made by an Italian company called Famag. Honestly, I had been waiting for this opportunity for at least 5 years. I couldn’t press “purchase” fast enough on my screen. A week later, I got my big beautiful new Famag IM-10S Spiral Dough Mixer.
About the Famag
As of this writing, Pleasant Hill Grain offers 7 models ranging from the smaller end (8.4Qt) to larger (56Qt). The large models are by special order. Currently you can purchase the 8.4Qt, 11.5Qt and 13.7Qt models with nothing more than a few clicks of the mouse. The difference in cost between the models is surprisingly little, about $100 per incremental size increase. One of the big advantages of a spiral mixer is that it can handle very small dough quantities as efficiently as it can a full load. You can comfortably cut the maximum dough quantity down to 10% and it will still work great. For my 13.7Qt model, the maximum dough capacity is 26 lbs. That means I can process as little as two and half pounds without issues. So when it came time to decide on which model to buy, I chose the biggest one I could reasonably fit in my kitchen. For $100 more, I had a huge range of options for the quantities of dough I work with. Obviously, if you never make more than 2-3 loaves of bread at any given time, one of the smaller versions will suit you better.
Famag is an excellent brand, the machine is made in Italy and most everyone that has reviewed this machine agrees it is great. This review applies to at least the first three sizes Pleasant Hill Grain sells.
Unpacking
The machine comes in a pretty big box and the whole thing weighs about 90 lbs (yikes!). You really need two people to get it in the house. The machine actually resides in its own box which is inside the delivery box. Kudos to PHG for carefully packaging it all up, but they fill the second box with foam peanuts which are guaranteed to get all over your house. Surely there are better ways to protect it? Fortunately, one member of my family enjoyed all those peanuts…
Once out of the box, the machine is tightly wrapped in plastic. I carefully unwrapped it and basked in the glory of its beauty.
Aside from the machine itself, there is a mostly useless recipe book, an instruction manual which is also almost totally useless, and some other miscellaneous paperwork. As a result, I had to tinker with it a bit before I got it to work (see below).
Plugging it in, turning it on
Once unpacked, I started putting things together. Surprisingly, it wasn’t clear how to attach the bowl to the base. It turns out you have to rotate the bottom disc while the bowl is stationary so that it locks it down. I plugged everything in, held my breath and pushed the button to make it run….nothing. What? I looked everything over and pressed the ‘go’ button again….nothing. “Uh oh, this isn’t good.”, I said to myself. I kept checking and rechecking. Finally I pressed a little harder on the top half that houses the hook down and I felt a click. I then understood the top simply wasn’t down all the way and the safety feature prevented it from turning on.
Safety Features
As I learned, if the top part is not 100% completely seated, the machine will not start. After some more experimentation, I realized there is another sensor that prevents movement if the bowl is not in the machine. There is the obvious safety device that stops the machine if you lift the metal grate. All in all, I felt pretty sure I would not get tangled up in the moving parts regardless of how clumsy I was. And that turns out to be a really good thing, because the Famag is very, VERY powerful. Think WWII battle tank lovingly converted to a dough mixer.
The Famag is Strong and Quiet
Although there are (as of today) still some inconsistencies on the PHG website regarding the power/wattage of the mixer and other specifications, I actually don’t care. I have run very challenging low hydration dough in it (eg. Bagel dough) and I swear I could hear the Famag mocking me the whole time (although I didn’t fully understand since it was in Italian). Suffice it to say, I can’t imagine you would really cause any strain to the motor unless you decided to mix cement in it for your weekend projects. Also, it is incredibly quiet when running, even at full speed. Compared to a KitchenAid at full speed that requires the use of hearing protection, the Famag sounds like nothing louder than quiet conversation.
Does it handle dough like a real spiral mixer?
Yes, you bet! I have used large capacity professional spiral mixers and the Famag delivered identical results to those machines. Look at the gluten windows below I got with ease. My KitchenAid mixer could never ever achieve that kind of development. If you are serious about making bread, you will never be satisfied with a KA mixer once you try a spiral like the Famag. There is simply nothing better on the market right now for home bakers or micro-bakeries in the USA.
Weaknesses:
More weaknesses with this mixer are discussed in Part II of this review here.
OK, I’ve raved and raved about the Famag machine. Yes, I am a fan. Is it perfect? No. What disappointed me?
1. Reverse speed not useful
First, I was so happy to see the machine comes with a forward AND REVERSE speed. Hooray! Not even some professional spiral mixing machines have a reverse. But alas, my exuberance was dashed when I realized the button doesn’t just reverse the bowl as it should. It reverses the hook too :(. That’s a problem, because when the hook reverses, it pulls dough up the hook until it hits the ceiling of the machine, gets inside the mechanism, gets all over the sensors, cables and every nook and cranny imaginable. No, of course that never happened to me <sarcasm>.
Spiral mixers that have a true reverse actually have two motors. One for the hook and one for the bowl. When you put it in reverse, the hook keeps spinning clockwise, but the bowl reverses to go counter-clockwise. A reverse is helpful, because when you first add in all your flour and water, you sometimes need to reverse the bowl so all the dry pieces get picked up more easily. Without a reverse, you need to stop and scrape the sides every minute or so until everything gets picked up. The Famag has only one motor, so when the motor reverses, both the bowl and hook change directions together. Bottom line: no big deal, just disappointing.
2. Connection between the top and base is poorly thought out.
I already mentioned that sometimes the top and bottom halves don’t click together if the joining mechanism is not aligned properly – but that is really minor. The more annoying thing is how the top and bottom pieces are held together once you start mixing.
As you’ll see in the pictures, two screws with wings lock things together. You really need to tighten them as you mix or the dough will cause the top to push upwards. This would trigger the safety feature to stop the machine.
Unfortunately, the screw is really annoying, because you never know exactly how far to UNSCREW it to release the top from the base. I found myself many times unscrewing it too far and it fell out, or I didn’t screw it out enough and I kept struggling to pull the top up in vain. I think Famag could have done better here with a spring loaded pin that can be snapped into the hole to lock it down. When done, the user would pull the pin out and to the side. There may be other ways, but the current system is really poorly thought out.
3. The attachment mechanism of the bowl to the base creates noise.
Third, the bowl attachment to the base is not great. I really like that the bowl is removable, that is a big plus. But the bowl attaches to the base with four mushroom-like knobs that fit into 4 holes in the base.
When the base is rotated, a mechanism locks it in place. But there is some play in this attachment. In other words, once it’s locked in, you can jiggle the bowl a few millimeters in either direction. That becomes a problem when you start mixing dough. Every time the bowl makes a rotation, it pulls the bowl one way. On the second half of the rotation, the bowl gets pulled the opposite way and that’s when you hear a distinctive, “click…pop”.
Now imagine the bowl rotates 30 times a minutes, and instead of having a perfectly quiet mixing experience, you hear, “Click…..pop…..click….pop.”. Famag could have made the connection tighter and avoided this by simply placing some rubber O-Rings around the mushroom attachments – any play in the locking mechanism would be absorbed.
4. The variable speed knob is just asking for trouble and it’s not necessary.
Lastly, I really like that the machine has more than 1-speed. Bread is best mixed on a low speed for the first 4-5 minutes so the gluten has time to absorb water and the dough comes together. Then it’s good to flip to a high speed to actually develop the gluten. I have no need for all the speeds in between. All professional spiral mixers, even the ones that cost $40,000, have only two speeds. The Famag has a knob that gives you infinitely variable speeds and I found it totally unnecessary. It’s just another one of those parts with a higher chance of failure. Plus, every time I want to go from slow to fast, I have to rotate a dial all the way around. All they needed here was a “speed 1” and “speed 2” button, and it would have been perfect.
Summary
PROS:
- Very quiet (except for the click/pop from the bowl).
- Very powerful.
- Well-built, attention to details and parts appear to be high quality
- 110V, 60Hz – Yes, this is a big deal. Good luck finding a spiral mixer with breaker bar in the USA (other than this one).
- Removable bowl and the top half lifts up for direct access to dough.
- A slow and fast speed (and everything in between).
- Plenty of safety features.
- Made in Italy.
- Has a breaker bar!! Yaaay!
- 3 year warranty.
CONS (see more updates here):
- Somewhat expensive (but that’s all relative).
- A one-trick pony. Spiral mixers can only process dough and nothing else. But this is not a knock on the Famag specifically, just an FYI.
- Click and pop heard from bowl attachment to base.
- Poorly designed screw connector to hold top half to base.
- Finicky connection between the top and bottom. This can prevent the top half from fully locking into the base (jiggling required).
- Useless reverse speed.
- Useless variable speeds, all that was needed was fast and slow.
CONCLUSION
The Famag line of mixers is outstanding. Sure, I was nit-picky about a couple of things, but they are all really minor. The most important thing is that the machine is very well built, it’s quiet, it’s powerful and it’s a genuine spiral mixer with a breaker bar. If you are in the market for a dedicated bread dough mixer, nothing else compares to the Famag. The Ankarsrum (which I tried, hated and returned), Bosch Universal, Häussler, etc….none of them hold a candle to a true spiral mixer. And, there is nowhere I am aware of you can buy one except at Pleasant Hill Grain. Kudos to PHG for seeing how unique and important this product is in the USA, and I thank them every time I use it.
typo in the title. FAMAGE. I have the 10s too and maybe I’m trying too high hydration, but it never seems like it’s working all the dough. always seems that the bottom corner isn’t getting mixed and i grab a bowl scraper to turn the dough a bit. something I never have to do with 80 kg mixer at work. I’m gonna make some 65% pizza dough this weekend and see how that performs, I kind feel like the hook needs adjustment but I really don’t want to fuss with it that much.
Thanks for catching the typo 🙂 Fixed.
I hear you on the high hydration, but don’t you think that is related to the batch size? I only get those problems when the quantity is too small. I just ran a brioche in it with 60% butter and that is a really slack dough. It was a 1.5kg batch. I did one scrape and all was good.
For higher hydrations, it’s best to use the bassinage technique: mix your dough at 68% hydration and develop gluten.
Then add in the rest of the water to take the dough to your desired hydration, eg 75 or 80%. Mix in the water on slow speed, probably for about 5 minutes.
You can also vary the temperature of your bassinage water (within reason) to trim up to your DDT.
Lance
Never heard of the bassinage technique, will look it up. But it sounds like what I know as ‘double hydration’.
Yes, same process, different names!
Now I wish I had not bought the Esmach spiral mixer–which does not have a breaker–but Famag was not available in the U.S. market then. Envy you…
I feel your pain 🙁 That’s why I was so ecstatic when I found the Famag, and right before I was going to do some weird electrical modifications to make a unit from overseas work. I was lucky for sure.
Manhattan Supply Company (MSC) lists a few levered stud handles which might work better for the arm clamping than the vendor provided wing nuts. We have not received our 10S yet but I plan on replacing those wings based on your review. And yes they are available in metric sizes on pages 1390 and 1392 of their on-line catalog
Interesting and thanks for the information. I am not sure that will help very much because you will still not know how far to unscrew it to disengage the top. I think the best solution is something with no threading at all, just a thick pin that is inserted and withdrawn with a spring. Not this exactly, but you get the idea.:
Or maybe:
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/76988146
I just replaced the winged studs for locking the head down. The article I previously described works perfectly but I changed vendors. The link below will lead you to them. The stainless steel adjustable position locking handle was rotated until the studs tightened into their recesses in the head insert recesses. I then adjusted the lever by pulling it upward and rotating it, not turning the stud, to just past vertical down. Unlocking was accomplished by just two outward rotations of the handle leaving it in full vertical down. The replacement locks the head securely in its down position, looks… Read more »
Very interesting. Do you by chance have a picture of this in action?
No but easily remedied. Send me your e-mail address at gunsonwheels@yahoo.com and I’ll send a couple to you… those miserable winged studs are at the bottom of our kitchen garbage so no “before” pics. These levered handles, because they allow you to disengage the stud enable you to snugly clamp the head and then disengage the stud and rotate the lever to any “clocking” you desire. Both sides of mine are set at about 7:00 o’clock when locked. Again two full rotations allow the studs to fully disengage and the levers to dangle, or hang down, at 6:00 o’clock. Mr.… Read more »
I created a Facebook group for famag users and wannabe users. please join if you’re on facebook! if you do any of these (or other) mods, we’d love to see and learn about the results.
Thanks Daniel, I’m not on Facebook, but I will be sure to let you know directly if I make any mods that work. Not planning to at this stage. I just love my Famag!
I’m assuming you haven’t used the Esmach mixer, correct?
Someone (see Yippee’s comment) mentioned that mixer, but I have not used it. There are lots of counter-top spiral mixers out there that are awesome, but none of them use 120V electrical, have a breaker bar, AND are distributed in the USA that I am aware of (except the Famag).
Of the three, it is missing the breaker bar. I have used it for years with incredibly great results. I also own or have owned Ankarsrum, Bosch and Kitchen Aid, none of which came close to the Esmach. I only ask because in your review you said it (the blue one) was only marginally better than a KitchenAid. What advantage would the breaker bar have?
I am so happy to hear you are getting great results from the Esmach. I have used mixers without a breaker bar and found that dough development was not as efficient (more oxidation, hotter dough, longer mix times, etc).
I would suggest looking at some YouTube videos of commercial spiral mixers in action (that have a breaker bar – and most all do) and watch what happens to the dough as it comes together. That is probably the easiest way to understand what the bar does and why it is so much more efficient with one.
Sunmix is available in the USA and seems to have a much better build quality, especially when it comes to the breaker bar. It doesn’t have a removable bowl or tilt option for the head but that just makes it more reliable. I also believe Sunmix is made and assemble in Italy with Italian components and Famag is assemble in Italy with Chinese parts and motor. That may be the reason for the new price increases coming soon.
I can’t speak to the build quality but I do agree there seems to be another contender that was not available until now. The Sunmix does look great. But, although a potential for reliability issues, the removable bowl and lifting head are really, REALLY handy.
I just confirmed with Famag that their motors are made in Italy.
That’s great info! How did you find that out?
I asked the owner’s son. He explained that all parts of the Famag mixers are made in Italy.
That’s great information and thank you for sharing it.
Famag is made and assembled in Italy. The Motor is built by PRESTO . Sunmix brand their household lines/series have some parts made in Taiwan.
Zuri, you could add one other point to your list of Cons. Size and weight. For those of us that don’t have the space, this is a deal breaker. If I did have a dedicated space for this mixer, it would be sitting there right now.
I thought this would be good information for those considering the purchase.
Absolutely outstanding writeup.
Dan Ayo
Hi Danny, you make an excellent point. I have actually uncovered a few other quirks to this machine and plan to write an “updated” review now that I have more experience with it. I will amend my list of cons, as you suggest! Thank you for the feedback.
Hey there, Im planning on pulling the trigger on this model or the bigger IM-15 model. But I’m having reservations now about the ”other quirks” of these machines considering the price point. You’ve done all of us such a help with a well detailed and thoughtful write up. A big THANK YOU!!!! I do a high hydration pizza that hopefully can benefit from this style of mixer. Are the cons of this machine starting to outweigh the pros????
[Are the cons of this machine starting to outweigh the pros????]
Absolutely not! I am in month 7 of owning this machine and would have zero reservations about buying another one if I needed it. Yes, there are some new quirks which I will write about soon, but you will not find a better machine for the money.
And FYI, as for those quirks, they are all almost entirely limited to problems with low hydration dough ( I mean really low, like 50%), so you will not encounter them at all.
Sweet!! Thank so much for the reply. Pleasant hill has a newly stated note for Famag shoppers notifying us there will be a significant rise in price is coming soon. Now I’m stuck between 3 models! lol including the IM-20 too! I plan on getting into farmers markets so a bigger model would help me in batch numbers. But still allow me to do smaller batches to test recipes in too. Too bad that’s its right before the holidays, but this may be the last chance at a decent price.
Markus, thank you for the heads-up. I can confirm the following message at PHG: “Famag has informed us that due to cost increases, prices will soon have to be raised significantly. Act now to beat the hikes!”
Bummer. Who knows how much it will increase…anyone’s guess.
In regards to which model, just keep in mind that the 15 and 20 both use 230V power and do NOT have a removable bowl or top that lifts up – all things which make it less friendly than the 10S and below.
Just curious if they have a manufacturing site online. Also. If they do need service how would I get parts for them.
Famag is an established Italian manufacturer. If you buy it through PHG, they will help you with any USA warranty issues or parts.
When I aim for a spiral mixer I can choose between a permanently installed bowl and a removable bowl.
1) Could you fix your “click…pop” problem with the removable bowl? Is it easy to fix?
2) Would you recommand a removable bowl or is it super easy and simple to clean a spiral mixer with a permanent installed bowl?
I am not able to solve the click/pop problem with a removable bowl, it is just the way it is on the Famag. I do like having a removable bowl because it is much easier to clean.
I am very happy that I came across your website, it has been very informative but put me in a bit of dilemma about which way to go between the Famag or the Sunmix. I like the idea of being able to remove the bowl and lifting the top to access the bowl in the Famag but it seems the Sunmix is much better made or performs better. I am newish to baking and making Pizza. In fact my research into these products were because if I am made redundant I would like to sell pizzas in my village or… Read more »
I hope to review the SunMix and compare it to the Famag in the coming months. I am waiting on the SunMix to do that. From what I have seen so far, I don’t think the SunMix is a vastly superior mixer. The Famag is also made in Italy and is very high quality. The lifting head and removable bowl are very useful, especially for higher hydration dough. I don’t think you would be disappointed with either machine.
Thanks for your reply. I think I will go for the Famag, but I will keep an eye out on your page in the case that you end up doing a review on the Sunmix before I have placed an order for the Sprial Mixer. On a side note, it is good to be able to buy quality products made in the USA or EU. Although being Italian, I am surprised they have not tried to add some sort of Italian styling to their machinery. 😉
Anyone know a good place to get mixing times when using the famag? New to dough making and a bit overwhelmed. Thanks
Hi Julio, you won’t find set times because so much depends on the size of your Famag, the hydration of your dough, amount of dough, and many other factors. It also depends on what kind of development you are looking for. My recommendation is to always do 4-5min on the slowest speed to incorporate all the ingredients and hydrate the flour. Then go on the fastest speed until you have proper gluten development. For an improved mix, I find that happens between 2 to 8 minutes. Yes, that’s quite a range. So stop after 2 minutes, check the dough and… Read more »
Thank you so much for this very informative post. I’m looking to invest in a larger mixer for my growing challah business. I’ve only used planetary mixers until now, mostly KA. Does this spiral mixer work well on challah dough? Thank you!!
Hi Debbie, making challah in a planetary mixer is difficult, I think you will find your results to be much better with a spiral. Saying that, challah dough is low hydration (mine is 54% including the eggs) and this puts a lot of strain on the mixer. If you are deciding between two sizes of the Famag, get the bigger one with a stronger motor.
Hello! Could you please tell how does the Famag cope with wet dough? Is it good?
It works like all spiral mixers when it comes to high hydration dough, which is generally great.
Thank you ? it was really helpful! It’s relevant, because the manufacturer has separate models “for wet dough” and they’re pretty costlier than usual ones, and it confused me)) I gathered you’ve tried to knead the wet dough in it?
can you please tell me how to resolve that “click pop” action on the base of the mixer. Not sure which gasket should I get to fix this issue.
Ron, thanks for the question. The click-pop sound is normal and it’s because of the removable bowl. In order to stop that, you would need to eliminate the play between the bowl and the plate that moves it – that would require some jury-rigging. There is nothing Famag sells that I am aware of. I have learned to ignore it.
Thank you for the best and most thorough information on Famag on the entire internet. I realize you may not own the recently USA available Spiralmac SV5 but it would be worth trying to get your thoughts on it in any case. It seems to have bowl + bar + hook removable but without a tilting head. I oscillate between the Famag and this one. Thank you for your time!
I appreciate the comments! At one point I was offered a SV5 to test and do a review, but that never panned out. I hear it’s a great machine though. I do find that the removable bowl is a very valuable feature and something that gives the Famag the advantage.
Thanks again. For what it’s worth, SV5 seems to *also* have a removable bowl, just based on a different system – can be removed without a tilting head. I would have been curious as to how close to the bottle of the bowl the hook and the bar would be, compared to Famag . . .
Did you end up trying the Spiralmac? I am curious what people think about it, compared to other spiral mixers, like Famag.
Unfortunately, I did not try it.
Did you get the chance to review the sunmix and compare it to famag? I’m particularly intrested in the bigger sizes. For example IM-50 vs TL-40.
Thank yoU!
I did not get a chance to do a comparison. I did get the 40Qt Famag though, and it is fantastic!